Chantal, PR Director for the National Association of Licensed Paralegals discusses with Ryan Gregory what it is liking working as a paralegal in the Probate Research industry. Join us for 30 minutes of conversation, including a bit about what it is like on TV. Ryan was part of the cast for Heir Hunters.
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So hello, my name is Chantelle Cook. I’ll be hosting today’s NAP Webinar With me. I’ve got Amanda Hamilton, who is our former CEO and our current patron and also
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the one that’s labelled Jane, but looks like a bloke. That’s Nigel. He looks after our marketing. He’ll be in the background dealing with any tech issues. So there’s anything that’s any kind of tech problems or whatever that you need to talk to Nigel about. Message him directly through the chat and he’ll be looking after the questions and putting in links into the chat and so on as well. So Nigel will be helping us out there in the background and our guests today is Ryan Gregory who’s the International Manager from Finders International and we’ll be talking about having a career in probate research.
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Just before we do that though I’ve got a few announcements to give you. So first of all, our next webinar jumping ahead is June the 5th. And if you’ve ever felt overwhelmed in your job, that kind of feeling of I can’t put anything more on the list or I’m going to explode, then this webinar on the 5th of June is definitely one for you, because the webinar talking all about how to deal with overwhelm. Then in July are we have a webinar booked in already for the 11th of July and that is with Barbary and we’ll be talking about
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how to convert your NAP qualifications into becoming a solicitor if that’s something that you’ve ever been interested in doing. So 5th of June for Overwhelm and 11th of July for becoming a solicitor. Pop those in your diary and we’ll be sending out detailed more details about them soon. We’ll have no webinar in August. It’s time to have summer holiday and then we’re back again in September.
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Big announcement. You are the very, very first to know that we have a date and a confirmed for this year’s National Paralegal Day that will take place on Monday 11th of November. That’s Monday the 11th of November in the evening. And that’ll be at the Law Society in London. There’ll be more details coming soon, but please mark your Diaries because we’d really love to see all of you for the big celebrations at this year’s National Paralegal Day, 11th of November at the Law Society. Well, I’d like to welcome our guests then
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Brian Gregory, the International Manager of Finders International. So you probably know this already as I bet you’ve seen them on TV. But if your case you don’t find this International is an award-winning probate research firm that traces the beneficiaries to estates, property and assets. We’ll be talking a little bit about how to have a career in probate research, what it involves and what you need to know about it. So Ryan, can I welcome you along to this Today’s next webinar.
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Hi, thank you for having me. Uh, hi. To everyone that’s watching, I have to apologise. Firstly just to anyone that was expecting Danny Curran, the MD of Finders. You’re going to have to put up with me instead. But hopefully it will be interesting enough for everyone to stick through to the end. And yeah, once again, thanks for having me.
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Pleasure. So I’ve got some questions to get us going. First of all is kind of the obvious one really, what is probate research? What does it actually involve?
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Um, so probate is the administration and the transfer of assets previously owned by deceased person. Then we combine that with the research. So probate research overall is assisting a state administrators and others in the private industry just to trace and prove the claims of rightful heirs when I joined in the industry. And I think largely is still called Probate G Energy on occasion. So then again we’re just linking the probate side of it to the genealogy side of it. I think probably your question it is quite apt
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because more and more we’re having to do bits which aren’t really genealogy related. There’s a lot of investigation, there’s a lot of detective work, there’s sometimes a bit of DNA work as well. So research probably is the more modern interpretation of what used to be called great veggie analogy
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and specifically what does finders do
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So find us pretty much does that. I mean we started tracing beneficiaries to the states unclaimed assets, unclaimed property as they like to call it in the in the US more so traditionally within the UK where the person passed away and where the assets are based. But we do and have grown into being quite a global presence. So we have clients overseas as well. So we’re trying to find missing beneficiaries to unclaimed assets essentially, and a lot of those would be probate estates. But you know, over the years
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Flinders has diversified into other things which can aid people in the probate industries, such as just simply verifying the family tree, obtaining missing documents via a death certificate or marriage certificate or birth certificate for someone in the UK, or more complicated and and a bit more expensive someone overseas. They need a death certificate from Thailand for example. Missing will searches to find out if someone left a will. Obviously important if you’re going to ascertain whether they died in test day or not. Missing asset searches, So we can
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work with the estate representatives to look for any assets that are due to the estate transfer of international assets. Super complicated area of work where we have someone that’s specialised, they speak to a state administrators and we can put in assets from places like the US and shares and seeing assets. And also a part that maybe sometimes is overlooked when we talk about probate research is just reuniting families together. It’s something we do on a on a daily basis as well and it’s kind of byproduct
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of what we do, but it’s not to be able to looked because it is one of the nicer parts of the job.
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Now it sounds like there’s all sorts of things involved, like you mentioned private almost like being private investigator or something, but also then there’s the legal things and there’s genealogy and genealogy and there’s well, all sorts of things. So therefore, what actual qualifications do you need to do that? Because it almost feels like you come from it from anywhere.
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Well, yeah, precisely that you can come from it from anywhere, really. Myself. My personal story is that I left school at 16 after getting AS levels.
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It was the first year of having to pay for uni and then we have the funds for it. Had to get a job. I was living at home.
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I didn’t go to uni. I got a couple of jobs and then I landed a job at Finders International just by by chance. Really, when I was 18, I kind of stuck with the company. Kind of grew through as the company grew over the last 21 years. And so you can do that. You know, we’d happily look at a school leaver who’s passionate and what we do. Or we look at somebody. We work with people and finders who were maybe studying a law degree or halfway through their conversion and they decided, look, I like law and but maybe it’s not
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may. I don’t want to work the really long hours. You know, I want to do something that’s maybe going to benefit people a bit more. And we speak to people where they did their modules and they touch on the probate module and they kind of stick on it. And then they’re like they look around and they’re like, wow. And everybody knew you guys existed. And then we interview them and they can come in. I would say when we look for people and we’ll judge anyone based on their CV. But I mean there’s particular degrees that we do find interesting. I think a law degree is useful given that we work in
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maybe something like a history degree or criminology degree or history of our We’re kind of looking for someone that you don’t have to have a background in law, but someone that has good lateral thinking. You know, someone that wants to pick up something and kind of pick it apart, solve the puzzle, and then kind of, you know, solve it and pass it over to the relevant people. So just someone really with a keen interest in either law, genealogy or or probate would be great.
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So I guess in that case anybody really with a a a paralegal qualification from now would be an ideal person to come in
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100%, yeah. If we if we see someone with now on their CV, you know automatically is going to promote anybody’s interests that’s looking to hire within finders for sure.
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So most of your your staff are actually not members aren’t they?
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They are yeah we became now members via the the kind of the on the job experience that we’ve had in the probate research field. So you know it’s it’s pretty much something that we’ve been able to kind of attach to ourselves and to promote you know within finders and to to clients be it a beneficiary or a solicitor to say look these people are experienced and we are part of a a wider group of people that share a common values and and similar experiences.
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So although I know you’ve talked a little bit about kind of where where you can come from and having some kind of understanding of the law is is useful, is there,
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you know, if you haven’t worked in probate at all before, is it what? What’s a good place to go to get experience? I mean, can you literally come in with nothing or do you need to go off and do something else first?
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I would say you can literally come in with with nothing, Um, you know, any. If we talk of any company, I guess as a whole,
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that’s gonna be varying recruitment requirements throughout the year and throughout the various years. You know, if you happen to hit the company at the right time and they’re looking for someone and you know you’re interested in that job, it’s really going to help your chances. But you know, a way to get your foot in the door, maybe potentially if someone isn’t hiring in our industry, you know, having had a look at your family history, it’s going to put you quite near the top of the list. For me personally, particularly if I’m looking for a research or somebody that has done that, that has researched their family tree
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and that’s really good for research. While some people come to us because they want to work in our setting and and they’re coming from an admin background, in which case, you know, you want to be promoting your communication skills, your teamwork, your accuracy, yourself motivation and things like that. So I think it’s just about considering the the role that you’re going for. Some of it will be potluck with the recruitment needs of the company, but kind of think about the role we’re going for and kind of promote yourself based on that really. And like I said, anyone with an interest in genealogy, when I started, when I was,
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see, no one really knew what genealogy was. So I tell people I was a probate genealogist and I was like, oh, genealogist, that’s interesting. Does that, do you study rocks or, you know, I was like that’s a geologist. The number of times they had that conversation went, I was like starting off at Finders was quite, quite funny. But nowadays we have things like ancestry.com and we have TV shows about it like BBC Air Hunters and things. So I think most people probably know the difference between geology and genealogy now. But yeah, certainly if you want to
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kind of highlight your CV, maybe have a bit of a dig around and, you know, you never know what you’re going to find. If you don’t want to go straight in for research and your family history and the traditional way, do your ancestry, Zanna. Because I find that’s a really good way to pull yourself into some interesting stories within your family and contacting people and asking the right questions and dismissing any kind of erroneous leads. It’s all this sort of things that we would certainly be looking for. Yeah.
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Now, you mentioned the TV and Air Hunters, so I have to ask, what’s that like doing that? Is it as glamorous and as exciting as it looks? Was it just a lot of hard work?
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I have to say? Um, I think Danny cornered myself and Amy Moyes in a pub on a team social, you know, battered us up with a couple of drinks maybe, then pretty much told us that we’ll be fronting air hunters for finders. When we joined the TV show, we kind of went into a kicking and screaming a little bit, just, you know, something different. And there’s a big chunk of anxiety which comes with putting yourself out there, I think in front of your peers as well to be judged, I think knowing that everyone in your industry is going to see it. But then the wider
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TV audience, family members and friends, you know, it is quite terrifying when they first put you in front of your open plan office and stick a TV camera in front of your face and you know it’s going to go out to to 1,000,000 people or something once you get over the nerves is. It was an interesting experience and it wasn’t all high glamour as you kind of alluded to. There was a lot of hard work to be honest. We probably filmed with the TV crew for sometimes up to six months of the year. Not every single case we filmed would get through to being on the TV show.
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We would often film a lot of cases and then we didn’t find the right social history to make it interesting for the show. Or we have really interesting social history, but we couldn’t find the beneficiary to speak to the producers or we didn’t know enough about the deceased person. Obviously that’s the story that people want to know about. You know, do we have any pictures and photos? So quite a lot of the filming that we did ended up on the cutting room floor.
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So there was a lot of kind of late staying behind at the end of the day doing piece pieces to camera when you really just wanna go home and your brain is a bit fried. There was a lot of running around with the team kind of sharing up bits of family trees and a lot of the work that we were filming as a competitive type, competitive type of work from the Bona Vacantia list, which is the unclaimed estates. And kind of the last thing you want when you’re rushing around trying to be the first person to ring a potential beneficiary as someone with a camera
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saying, hey, could you just tell me what you’re doing? Because you’re trying to not look Fazal doing that and then you’re trying to speak to the beneficiaries. But it’s one of these things. There was a long term project and every time you wrapped on a series and then waited for it to come on and you watched it back, it was always really nice. They were really good at kind of extrapolating the social history element of it. And for me personally, I’ve been in the industry quite a long time and
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I didn’t really have the time or the the inclination to think too much about the social history. And it kind of changed the way I thought about the families and it kind of I I realised how important that is. I guess to the people we’re we’re speaking up. But yeah, being on the TV show wasn’t without its odd kind of side of it. Like people Dming you on Twitter and Facebook and pretty much wherever they could and tweeting about you and,
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you know, asking you for an autograph once or twice for a selfie. You know, it kind of happened, you know, we’re like sitting on an aeroplane once and
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and if someone you know, people always think they know you because they’ve seen you on TV and it’s really then you don’t wanna have to be that person that says Ohh, I think you might see me on TV. Usually you can like brush it off because it’s a bit cringey.
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Yeah, there they were nice parts to it. It was rewarding at the end of the day. But yeah, it was a lot of hard work and a lot of things that people didn’t necessarily see. Some some really good stories and sometimes stories that were probably a bit too dark to to have on morning TV as well. But you know, everyone in the office finds quite interesting and as people typically quite interested in the kind of more more gory side of things. But yeah, we had to remind ourselves that we were breakfast TV.
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Do you think overall that that TV programme has actually helped not just finders but actually the industry as a whole to be more visible to maybe make it easier to recruit good quality people to make it a career that that people actually want to do
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100%? Yeah, I mean I think it’s helped raise the awareness of the industry. I think we still struggle internationally. I’m Head of International. We still struggle internationally with
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convincing people overseas that we are legitimate. We still have issues within the UK, but mostly people can pull away those Brexit suspicion when they can see newspaper articles or TV shows. And on the recruitment side of things, you know, kind of helps get people into the industry. We used the finds that our demographics were probably students back when it was on or
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people that are of their kids or pregnant pregnant ladies or older people. So quite often now I’m interviewing people coming out of university who are like 2122 and they’ll probably tell me, which makes me feel a bit old, that they either watched it as kids or their grandparents used to watch it. So it’s nice to have it there And it’s it’s good that people can then go to YouTube and see a bit of what we do. And again, like, you know, we would be speaking to beneficiaries whilst the TV show was on sometimes and they’ll be like, yeah, I’m watching you on TV. So it’s really hard to
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to kind of hold on to any suspicion when you can see someone on the BBC that you’re talking to say on that side of things, that helps massively as well.
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And very briefly, who is it usually? Is it your client, so they come directly through solicitors or is it say, the executor of the estate or something? How does that work?
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Yeah, it’s a good question because I think a lot of people think when we talk about the industry, if particularly they’ve seen this TV show, they all think everything comes through this government list. That’s only a small part of the type of work that we do. We do have a large portion of the work that we undertake through private clients. So that would be solicitors. It will be state representatives. You know, often local authorities will come to us directly.
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There is an element where we can source cases from the public domain. So there’s all these kind of ways that cases can come in to find us. We have clients overseas as well. So, So yeah, we don’t only pluck from the government list and also we don’t only work with private client solicitors as you mentioned. It can just be in a state representative that wants to come to us and ask us to find missing beneficiaries, or simply just just verify a family tree.
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And for you, what’s the bit that you most love about doing this work?
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I have to say it is, is the social history now. It is these people that you can talk to and for some reason over the years, you know, you’ve seen that, I’ve seen that people will just open up to you or they were just pretty much random person at the end of the phone.
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Everyone’s got a story at the end of the day, I think. And you know, once you hit that sweet spot with someone and you do find a lot of people do open up to you and they start telling you about their grandparents, siblings and, you know, the black sheep in the family. And so it’s so went into this or you know, this person’s estranged and gone missing and you know, you do have a really strong connection with them between first speaking to them and and then ultimately when they receive their inheritance. And you know, sometimes
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people,
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you know, jump for joy because they think of the money. And you know, Danny, my boss’s phrase always sticks in my mind as pennies from heaven. And you know that is important to people like you know who wouldn’t want some money that’s ultimately coming out of the blue from from someone that you know, usually they didn’t know but also the family side of it. So I think getting involved in the,
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in the, in the stories, the social history and just speaking to people about their ancestry, I I think you know everyone usually that comes in as a research role really
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finds that the most enjoyable part of the job.
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I can imagine it being very rewarding as as a career.
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Safeguarding is a quick career. Yeah. I mean, look, I I never thought at 18 that I would have a career coming up to almost 40 and kind of it being most, you know, just what’s going to ultimately be most of my working life, if not all of that.
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And it never gets dull. I know that sounds like something someone would just say, but, you know, we get asked in interviews, you know, what do you enjoy about the job you used to enjoy it? And. And yeah, you know, after up to 21 years, you do learn something new literally every day. And again, that’s a bit of a cliche, but you’re always going to learn a different way of doing a bit of genealogy or a different way to trace someone or a different way to do research in however many countries there is overseas that you need to do research. And so you never stop learning. You work on
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faces a bit similar to like how lawyer would work on a case when they’re conducting the administration. So you do get that sense of satisfaction from opening a case,
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working on it as a team, so not teamwork, and then closing a case out and ultimately the beneficiaries receiving their inheritance. So yeah, super rewarding, really good job for dinner parties. When you’re speaking to people, there’s pretty much, you never meet another pro Beijing allergist. I think funnily enough, I did meet one once at a gig or something. That’s one in 21 years. And people do do. Germany find it quite fascinating and there’s not really many other jobs like it. And to be honest, out of everybody that I know and I speak to them about their job.
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Me personally, I kind of. I feel like I’ve got the best option after that. Why? Why? I hear other people doing horses for courses. But yeah, I, I, I do enjoy it.
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Brilliant. Thank you. Well, we got, we’ve got a few couple of questions come in. So I’m going to hand over to Nigel to ask you the questions, if that’s OK. And then I’ve probably got one final question we’ll finish off with, but let’s have some questions from our audience first. So Tina says how do probate laws vary between different jurisdictions
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and how does that impact on on being able to do the retail?
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It’s actually a super, super good question. If someone came and asked that to me interview, I’d be like that is particularly the type of person that’s thinking
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to to what we need
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that you. There isn’t a blanket rule for succession even in the UK it varies. England and Wales have their own way of doing things. Scotland has a slightly different way, Northern Ireland has a slightly different way, Ireland has a completely different way. And you realise when you research overseas, every state in the US is slightly different, every territory in Australia is slightly different. So that’s one of the top questions to ask. If you’re unsure if you’ve received the case from someone from a jurisdiction you’re not familiar with, what are the succession rules and ultimately when the case
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it’s ready to pay out. How is this state divided? Because that can be something that, for instance, is very different from the way it is in England and Wales as opposed to Scotland. So it it varies too much to cover everything. Essentially though
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you know it’s it’s gonna go down the spouse issue, parent spouse issue, parents, siblings route. But again you know in some jurisdictions you would include like half blood siblings. In other jurisdictions you wouldn’t. So there’s a massive distinction between different places. You know, because a lot of us grow up with half siblings and we count them as full siblings. But sometimes when it comes to succession rules, they’re not so kind. So here’s a good question. It is worth finding out. In each case. There are other questions.
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Good. Then what’s the ethical considerations in probate research, particularly concerning privacy and and sensitive information?
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I think to be honest, a lot of the ethical considerations around privacy are drawn up in the data protection rules finders and I’m sure every other probate energy company abides by data protection. So as long as we’re constantly keeping in our minds that we’re not to disclose private information to anyone,
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then I think that keeps us in good stead when we send out family trees to people and we’ll be redacting people’s full names, dates of birth, gender pretty much. You know, these days anything that could be an identifying factor to someone within a family. You know, we don’t just pass someone’s contact details over to someone, although we might be asked sometimes. Can you put me in touch with so and so. And, you know, when you’re talking about more sensitive cases, you know, it could be that someone really doesn’t want to be put in touch with anyone in their family, that that’s important for us to
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to remember as well that we’re not going to offer to put someone in contact if they’ve explicitly told us. You know, I I really don’t want that to happen. So you have to, you have to, you have to have quite a lot of empathy in the, in the job as a whole. You know, some of the situations we get into can be quite, you know, sensitive. It could be that sometimes we’re telling someone that there’s some daughter has passed away, which no one really wants to ever do. So, you know, just be mindful and empathetic. But also like reminding ourselves of the general data protection rules,
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is is really important because the last thing we want to do is cross any boundaries that are not supposed to. And I hope that answers the question.
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Certainly, definitely. But as you’ve brought up family trees,
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Carter wants to know whether you
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have any technology that actually helps you to draw up the family trees. Or do you do it manually, like it looks like you do on the TV programme?
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Yeah, it’s a good question as well. It has. That’s been something that I’m sure all of us have seen. We’ve all had to make some changes since the pandemic. And you know, the way we draw up our family trees did change during COVID because we had to collaborate with each other online a lot more. So as much as a lot of us used to love sticking a three sheets of paper together and then you have to add in a stem. So you’d get your scissors out and chop up the tree and then like, you know, stick a bit of paper in with a bit of sellotape and, you know, everything was. I used to love that. I used to use a pencil
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and like, how many people do that on their day-to-day job. But yeah, inevitably now it’s gone into more of like a tech version of it. So we have a software that we can plug the information into and it generates like a really nice family tree still. So it also saves a lot of time, like transferring A handwritten family tree. And my handwriting was never really that good. You know, it does avoid the mistakes you could make from going from a handwritten family tree to transferring it into a database. So we’re skipping a step. So ultimately it’s it’s good. But yeah, we do have software
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can do that for us,
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OK. And and apparently AI being utilised in probate research and does it have an impact on efficiency and accuracy?
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Again, good question. You know, I think my answer now is going to be different today than it will be in 10 years time.
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At the moment, AI hasn’t had a massive impact on on on Pro Beijing Energy. There are people, there is a website in particular one of the genealogy websites, I think it’s MyHeritage, which has launched an AI tool. It’s pretty much one of these AI tools where you’re going to ask a question and it’s going to kind of just give you similar results. Then you’re going to get by looking through the search options. It just makes it a bit easier for you whether it’s AI or not. It might just be answering questions of focus in some of the results,
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you know? Maybe one day, you know,
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took back to the TV show, you’d have people saying you know, like I your job looks really easy so you just press the button and everything comes up. I was thinking I hope we didn’t make it look that easy on the TV show. But who knows, maybe one day that will happen. But I don’t think anything that’s AI for now, like a lot of other industries, industries is going to kind of avoid or negate the need for human kind of cross referencing and checking. And yeah, for now you can’t just press the button and the whole family tree comes up. When that happens,
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we’ll be talking to you from another industry I guess. But yeah, I think it’s, I think it’s a long way off knowing how manual it it usually is. I mean you can be, you can be fortunate and you can see someone put their family tree online or something that’s kind of as as kind of shortcutting as it can get. But yeah, for a I, I think we’ll be probably after kind of
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I said no, I guess before we can see more of an impact on probate lawyers before it comes down to the genealogists I guess because what we do is so organic and a lot of cross referencing. We’re not kind of producing set templates and documents and things,
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OK. I think that’s, that’s all of the questions we’ve got. Central,
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lovely. Thank you. Ryan. I’ve just got one last question before we finish off then just give you a chance, any final bit of advice you’d like to give paralegals if they’re thinking about a career in probate research?
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I would say I hopefully you kind of picked up a vibe of all kind of general inkling of what we’re kind of about when we talk about probate research. But I would say if you’re someone that likes a challenge, if you’re someone that likes to get to the bottom of things, if you have an interest in law or probate or family history, then this is pretty much the the ideal job for you. Kind of, said a graduate recruitment day last summer.
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You know, if you’re someone that likes watching these kind of true crime documentaries and you kind of want to binge it cause you want to know what happens at the end or you like reading a detective novel,
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it’s pretty much like doing that every day and getting paid for it. I’m not gonna lie, sometimes it’s just going on to someone’s Facebook and trying to figure out there’s this picture of this person and they’re saying it’s their dad and you’ve only got, you know, happy, you know, not happy anniversary, but commemorations on this anniversary, there’s a lot of information you can glean from just checking out someone’s social media. So again I always say if you’re the person that your friends come to when someone’s dating someone new in your social group and you’re the one that’s like found out their cousins cat’s name within half an hour, then
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you know it’s it’s that sort of stuff. It’s kind of making it light hearted. But if if you like a challenge and you like casework and seeing something through from start to finish and you have a kind of investigative kind of head on you, then there probably is no better job other than kind of being a detective or police officer or something. But we get to do it from the comfort of our home and for positive reasons as well. I should point out it’s all positive tracing. So that’s important to to to put that distinction in place between US and and usual detectors.
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Lovely, thank you so much. That’s Ryan Gregory, international Manager at Finders International. We’re talking about having a career in probate research as Nigel may have mentioned. I remember this webinar will be available to members only on the North website for three months and then for non members they can check it out after three months time. So thank you so much Ryan for joining us today and sharing your knowledge with us. And I I feel really inspired now. I want to go off and do a career in TV.
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Fascinating. Thanks, Ryan. Yeah. I feel like joining Finders. I I want to jointly. I did a good pitch. There you go. That’s good. You might find you suddenly get a flurry of of CVS coming over in the next few weeks.
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So thank you so much.
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Just a quick reminder to everybody, our next webinar is the 5th of June and that’s talking about how to deal with overwhelm. The following one is the 11th of July and that’s with Barbara talking about how to convert your now paralegal qualifications to become a solicitor.
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I say thank you so much for joining us today, everybody. There is a feedback link in the chat. So if you’ve got any feedback on the webinar, please do fill that in, including if you’ve got topics you’d like us to cover in the future. Maybe there’s a career you really fancy that we haven’t talked about yet and we can maybe help you get some information on how to get into that particular sector. So thanks very much again, Ryan Gregory, our guests from Finders International. And thank you all to all of you for joining us today for this now webinar on probate research. We’ll hopefully see you next month.
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